Comments on: The Case for Coaching http://www.bigvisible.com/bbozzuto/the-case-for-coaching/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:28:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bob Hartmn http://www.bigvisible.com/bbozzuto/the-case-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-22580 Bob Hartmn Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:31:36 +0000 http://www.bigvisible.com/?p=738#comment-22580 I think the article you were looking for is at http://www.allianceperformance.net/White%20Papers/CoachingControversy.pdf and also at http://www.kenblanchard.com/img/pub/pdf_coaching_support.pdf Slightly different versions but both show the graphics you reference. Thanks for pointing this out, I like it a lot and will start to reference this in the future. I think the article you were looking for is at http://www.allianceperformance.net/White%20Papers/CoachingControversy.pdf and also at http://www.kenblanchard.com/img/pub/pdf_coaching_support.pdf

Slightly different versions but both show the graphics you reference.

Thanks for pointing this out, I like it a lot and will start to reference this in the future.

]]> By: Giora Morein http://www.bigvisible.com/bbozzuto/the-case-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-22499 Giora Morein Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:58:19 +0000 http://www.bigvisible.com/?p=738#comment-22499 Peter - This is the problem when dealing with percentages. I'm guessing the way Jeff's case works is as follows: If you send you team of 15 people to a CSM class it would cost you hypothetically - $12K Assuming each team member had an average cost of $70 p/h - a 3-week sprint would cost about $126,000. I could imagine in a given year where a team would experience 17 sprints, a team that received training could improve enough to deliver the same amount in one fewer sprint than one that received no training at all. This reflects a 1000% return on training investment but this resulted in only a 5% increase in throughput - that seems hardly statistically significant. We have observed boosts in velocity and productivity from coaching that are leaps and bounds above that. Giora Morein Peter –
This is the problem when dealing with percentages. I’m guessing the way Jeff’s case works is as follows:
If you send you team of 15 people to a CSM class it would cost you hypothetically – $12K
Assuming each team member had an average cost of $70 p/h – a 3-week sprint would cost about $126,000.
I could imagine in a given year where a team would experience 17 sprints, a team that received training could improve enough to deliver the same amount in one fewer sprint than one that received no training at all. This reflects a 1000% return on training investment but this resulted in only a 5% increase in throughput – that seems hardly statistically significant. We have observed boosts in velocity and productivity from coaching that are leaps and bounds above that.
Giora Morein

]]> By: Peter Hundermark http://www.bigvisible.com/bbozzuto/the-case-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-22498 Peter Hundermark Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:38:31 +0000 http://www.bigvisible.com/?p=738#comment-22498 I like the model. As a (Scrum) coach I would :-). I would love to see both axes quantified, so we can attach a $ value to the difference that coaching makes over time. Jeff Sutherland submits data that sending the whole team to a CSM class yields 1000% ROI in the first year. Not everyone accepts the validity of the assumptions he makes. I think it is high time we (coaches) find ways to measure the ROI for coaching AND publish the results. Perhaps I must stop moaning and start doing ;-). Peter I like the model. As a (Scrum) coach I would :-) .

I would love to see both axes quantified, so we can attach a $ value to the difference that coaching makes over time.

Jeff Sutherland submits data that sending the whole team to a CSM class yields 1000% ROI in the first year. Not everyone accepts the validity of the assumptions he makes.

I think it is high time we (coaches) find ways to measure the ROI for coaching AND publish the results. Perhaps I must stop moaning and start doing ;-) .

Peter

]]> By: Brian Bozzuto http://www.bigvisible.com/bbozzuto/the-case-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-22386 Brian Bozzuto Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:17:06 +0000 http://www.bigvisible.com/?p=738#comment-22386 Thanks for the feedback Martin, I hope this does help you and other people out there trying realize genuine organizational change, as this has been a major challenge I see when helping an organization adopt a new process like Agile software development. Thanks for the feedback Martin, I hope this does help you and other people out there trying realize genuine organizational change, as this has been a major challenge I see when helping an organization adopt a new process like Agile software development.

]]> By: Martin Proulx http://www.bigvisible.com/bbozzuto/the-case-for-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-22383 Martin Proulx Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:34:17 +0000 http://www.bigvisible.com/?p=738#comment-22383 This is a great post and it is totally aligned with what we often see. Because of its simplicity, Scrum is accessible to everyone and people believe it can easily be implemented after reading a book or taking a training. While this is partly true, nothing prepares people / teams to the reality and challenges of transitioning to a new approach. On the other hand, having a coach to guide and help through the transition not only increases adoption but also accelerates the results. Unfortunately, few people see upfront the value of a coach. Hopefully, posts like yours will help increase awareness. This is a great post and it is totally aligned with what we often see. Because of its simplicity, Scrum is accessible to everyone and people believe it can easily be implemented after reading a book or taking a training. While this is partly true, nothing prepares people / teams to the reality and challenges of transitioning to a new approach.

On the other hand, having a coach to guide and help through the transition not only increases adoption but also accelerates the results. Unfortunately, few people see upfront the value of a coach. Hopefully, posts like yours will help increase awareness.

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